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Please judge for yourself the people of our beacon, this is simply from Brother Badar presenting the English translation of the Qur'an for debate, these Christianised Muslims shame the Islamic truth: Qari Yousuf Khakwani This is frank Kufr and these Hindus? or other NonMuslims have taken up Muslims names. The Stupidest Attempt Ever! They must be thrown out of the website. La'natullahi alalkafirin. Walter Mohammed Deen After all the open mind, reflection and tolerance: Keep going Badar and Abdun, keep going straight to Hell. I won't ask anyone to stop you. Why don't you throw your dirty talents at freeminds, wideminds apostates? They are well-suited to your designs. Dear readers, Beware of this satanic activity and protect yourselves and your children. They are Muslims by name only. Abdun Nur Salaam Brothers and Sisters, I don’t mind going to hell if Allah wishes it, but Allah would never condemn this honest intention, as this is how all are judge, even each one of you. As for my dirty talents, if I have any talents, again Allah has gifted them to me, good or bad; all balances upon my intention once again, and my intention is pure, as is Brother Badar’s. If you would be offended by the words of the Qur’an as these outraged Muslim say they are, please do not soil your mind with the Qur’an translated in to English, as Walter advices, it is all the same to me, remain as you are, hide from knowledge if you wish. I wish each of you well in your search for truth. Walter Mohammed Deen CR Abdun, No Salam Don't try to be cute O serpent in the guise of Islam. Dear moderators, Using sound judgment, turn these two crooks out of this forum. They are trying to re-write the Quran. Thank you. Faiz I have come to this forum after a long time. One can learn a lot from this forum--everything from sense to nonsense. This thread about the word "Allah" is very 'entertaining' one. Badar and Noor-ud-Din really want to say something new be it 2+2= 5. It has been a long time since I heard 2+2 = 5; they even tried to prove it--yes, mathematically. The name "Allah" was well known even before the advent of the Qur'an. It (along with--Rahman) seems to be a proper noun. One can easily see that it can be logically broken down to components "Al-ilah", meaning "THE One who must be served/worshiped/obeyed. There could be other explanations but to derive the word "Allah" from the adverb "alladhee" (which just means "who is or what is") is beyond me. It was really a unique example of no-sense (I spelled it right). If Mr. Badar can publish his translation of the entire Qur'an, Hollywood could sponsor it (with the blessings of Pat Robertson and Franklyn Graham, of course). I agree with Zubair. Badar and Noor ud-Din should not be banned from the forum. Please note that the garbage and ugliness are just as part of our lives as the sublime food, air, comfort is--can't get rid of them, better learn to live with them! Irfan Faiz Abdun Nur Most ingrained patterns of thought are easily defended within the mind of the host, and I notice that within your pattern of thought it is ok to insult, and ridicule another perspective without any investigation in its truth, simply through conjecture. I have no problem with that, it is to be expected, I have on the other hand noticed that if the attitude is returned there is outrage, a perspective that allows insult and ridicule of others while is outraged by its reflection; so insults and derogatory comments I will not longer return, as it is counter productive, I will comment but not reflect the unwitting tone of people like yourself. The concept of Allah predates Muhammad, it stretches back in time as you say, if we examine the claim Christians and Jews follow the same belief in Allah,; Judaic belief has a God called "Yahweh" and the Christians have a God called "Jehovah" being a translation of the word Yahweh, they contend. However, it is significant that "Allah" is clearly NOT a personal name, while the Hebrew Tetragrammaton clearly *IS* a personal name for their Almighty God. This is interesting as they worship a personification, hence the concept of a human God on Earth, are you, as they, waiting for a human God to return to Earth Faiz? Arabic, like many of the languages of the world, gives male and female gender to nouns, if as you suggest Allah is a proper noun it would personify Allah, transforming the concept of Allah into a Christian Jewish God concept. Consider the word God, this is masculine, you say no, the counterpart of a God is a Goddess, so in your version of reality Allah could have a wife? This is the reason the Shahada exists, There is No God. As its foundation, you of course refute Allah’s contention? As for Brother Badar’s translation, you call it ugly and garbage, a brave thing to say against the Qur’an, I hope you don’t one day regret such an accusation, I fear you will. Have you taken the time to examine the Surah’s translated, with a clean mind, consider the content of the Surah’s, the flow of the Ayahs within each Surah, the logic and reason they contain? Or have you dismissed them out of hand, after reading a few lines, or nothing of them? Please explain further this mathematical proof that has been presented to you, from either myself, or Badar, that you state, we used to prove Allah is not a name, I wouldn‘t want to accuse you of being a liar falsely? I’m interested to read this information. Sidqi Nur, Allah introduces Himself in the Qur'an. That is sufficient for me. "There is no one worthy of obedience but ALLAH." We are simply made for performance in a certain way with limited intellect. The best machine on earth made by man, be it a NASA space shuttle or whatever, can not understand even man. Sidqi. Moderators Dear Abdun, Your post has been deleted. Your obnoxious propaganda against this forum has reached us. 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